All Large Calculations Are Wrong
One of the surprises about working in a large investment bank has been that most of the interesting, the truly interesting lessons I have learned there, have been sociological rather than mathematical or financial. Political rather than quantitative. Finance is business, distilled to its pure essence, in concentrated form. And business (in its better and worse moments) is about people, and agendas, and glad-handing, and personality and charisma, and luck, and salesmanship, and deal-making, and emotional intelligence, and listening, and talking. Very few of those things are “quantitative” in any real sense. When they are, the “quantitative” is often window dressing, frills, tricks used to make the pitch-book more appealing and authoritative-looking. There’s no mystery about the fact that the real quantity that matters is the profit taken from the table. And profit trumps your equations.
Many mathy finance types get out of school having this naive image of “quantitative finance” that it is this sort of post-graduate mathematical utopia where all the best and brightest mathematical geniuses get together every day and engage in neverending stochastic-calculus-circle-jerks to come up with great trade ideas with their genius and so forth, and everyone profits and everyone lives happily ever after. Most of these people (I was no exception) will gladly flock to whatever “finance” job they get offered, not quite knowing what they are getting into, not even knowing what the different roles entail. This is presumably how the back office risk and IT support groups end up getting seemingly overstuffed with the overeducated – particle physics PhDs making daily PDF risk reports absolutely no one reads, or debugging VBA code so a 24-year-old junior trader with a bachelor’s and a dad with connections won’t yell at them for making them late for their flight to their Florida summer house. This is what many, many quantitative types in finance get stuck doing. (And believe me: there but for the grace of God go I.)
But because of this, because “finance” has attracted such large numbers of these people even for the most menial and thankless roles, it is a decent real-world experiment for the potential that can be unleashed when you get scores of highly, highly educated and mathematically-inclined people together and charge them, in a relatively well-compensated setting, with collaborating on doing large calculations of actual real-world import. And I’m here to report that the result is: garbage. Not total garbage necessarily, but pretty smelly.
If you read Taleb’s book on the Black Swans or whatever it was called, or if (like me) you refused to read it but are pretty sure you know what its basic thesis was, then you know that banks all have to compute something called VaR (Value at Risk). This is a number that supposed to represent something like: “you’re 99% sure this is the most you could lose in the next however-many days”. Now Taleb’s claim (I gather) was that banks all manage their risk by looking at VaR, and since VaR is flawed (can’t capture “black swans”), that’s what helped cause the crisis. I call bullshit. Nobody manages to VaR, not really. Nevertheless, regulators do force all banks to compute this bogus number, and various other related bogus numbers that depend on it, so everyone can CYA and tell themselves they’re doing a good job regulating and deserve their salaries and everything is ok. So banks, as a result, typically have a group of people whose job – whose only job, mind you – is to generate this number – this single number (e.g. “VaR = $150 million”) on a regular basis.
And the one thing I can say with confidence about this number is that it is wrong.
Always wrong, every day. The one constant about this calculation – remember, a calculation that a global team of six-figure quants is charged with producing – is that if you dig into the calculations behind the number, truly dug deeply enough, you can always unfailingly find something wrong with it. It may not always be hugely wrong or materially wrong, or there will be various wrongs that kinda cancel each other out, but there will be something undeniably wrong. Whether it’s the inputs or the assumptions or the historical time-series or the way things are simulated or the way asset types are bucketed. Even if you correct some issue that you find today, another one will creep into the calculation tomorrow. And you won’t find all issues.
The point of this preface is that large calculations are hard and in particular large calculations are wrong.
And I want to stress here that this is not because the people doing the calculations are dumb. The people who compute VaR are for the most part (although often front-office types would disagree, a bit unfairly) highly intelligent bright people with their math-finance and financial-math and physics and computer science degrees up the wazoo. It’s because the calculations themselves are intrinsically hard to coordinate in such a way as to get right, no matter how “smart” the people doing it. Keep in mind that by large calculation I don’t mean something like a single number-crunching program to calculate the zillionth digit of pi or to visually rotate a detailed scene from a Toy Story movie – sure those are large calculations but at root they pure mathematics with definite answers. I’m talking about a problem rooted in the real world, that relies on a large amount of real-world inputs, inputs that can have errors or be fuzzy or have timing or data or interpretation issues, inputs that have to be assembled from different sources in a collaboration, then assimilated together in a large calculation, a calculation based on a model that makes assumptions and approximations and simplifications, assumptions that may/may not actually hold true, or may not still hold true.
It’s large calculations like that which are wrong. For the record, and in case it wasn’t clear where I was heading with all this, here are some calculations that fit the above description:
- what will the future climate of the earth be like
- how many jobs will exist in the economy if you do this or that
- what’s the probability that a drilling site will spring an oil leak under the ocean
- what will such and such policy mean for whether Social Security is solvent 30 years from now
- how many troops should you send somewhere to win the war, or will you win the war with the current number
- how should health-care be apportioned: who should get what procedures, and how much to charge for them
Those are all large calculations (or rely on them). And anyone who claims they have The Answer to any of them is lying. Because any a priori calculated answer to any of those questions is wrong.
It won’t have escaped your notice that these and more large calculations are all related to political questions to which the political left regularly claims to know The Answers. This is because the left is in thrall to the cult of Smart People. That is, the left is constitutionally unable to imagine a question which cannot be answered by getting together a sufficient number of Smart People and having them work on it. Just have Smart People do the calculation, tell us their answer, and that’s what we should do. And Smart People, at least some of them, do claim to know the answers to the above: the earth will definitely get warmer; we can’t win a war in Iraq or Afghanistan; Social Security is fine; we can lower health care costs using smart medicine; stimulus will increase the number of jobs. And when things go wrong or answers seem to fail – as in the financial crisis, or the oil leak – the left’s answer is always and inevitably: We needed more regulation and intervention. Not enough Smart People were in charge, not enough Smart ideas acted upon. This is why, for example, the fact that the “stimulus” didn’t create jobs will not ever cause them to disbelieve in “stimulus”. It will only strengthen their conviction that more “stimulus” was needed.
As a corollary, the left operates from an a priori assumption that whatever the Smart People seem to be saying, is automatically correct and should be acted upon. Well let me revise that slightly. In sober moments most of the left would probably admit they don’t necessarily think that the Smart Peoples’ answer to everything is actually correct. Their claim would more likely be: it may not be perfect but it’s the best we have, so we should act upon it. This may sound reasonable enough, but when one is talking about a large calculation – global warming, say – it takes on a rather different meaning. Because if large calculations are wrong (and I think that they are), that we should ignore their flaws and must act on them anyway, because the people who did them are Smart and we have no other or better choice, has the characteristics of a religious statement. It is a call for a scientific theocracy.
It may be answered: how do I know the climate calculations are wrong? Now I can say because probably unlike you, I’ve actually worked on climate models and know what they are and what goes into them. Or I can do as I’m doing here and point to the fact that giant teams of highly-paid quants can’t even get a single-number calculation – VaR – correct. One single number! So why would we expect, like, some grad student (‘overseen’, i.e. pointed towards some literature and a data set, by his professor) working in virtual ivory-tower isolation on sloppy C code for a summer to be able to generate any sort of accurate model of the fricking entire future climate of the entire fricking earth? Why would we look at the latter’s paper and go Oooh and Aaah and declare we should base policy on it? (And if you don’t think that’s what climate modeling is, then what exactly do you think it is?)
The point is just that some humility is in order when interpreting and using all these models and calculations. That goes for climate science, for Keynesian ‘stimulus’ claims, for claims of centralized medicine as a cure-all: humility, please. Large calculations are wrong.
This is hard for Smart People (and their cheerleaders) to admit, for obvious reasons. There has been built up quite a racket, a parasitic meritocracy, of Smart People all involved in politically agitating for the empowerment and betterment and enrichment of Smart People – i.e., of each other. Give him a job and he’ll give me a job. Just ask them: Smart People should be put in charge of the climate. They should be put in charge of medicine. They should be put in charge of the economy. All the Smartest People say so!
With salaries and lifestyles to match that responsibility, obviously. Or if there is no such responsibility, create one. Create a ‘carbon trading’ market: voila! More jobs for traders! Create a ‘health care exchange’. Voila! More jobs for actuaries! There’s no real end to how many phony made-up responsibilities Smart People can invent for each other.
So it’s got to be hard for someone invested in such a stance to admit let alone confront the fact that there are some problems that are inherently thorny, calculations that simply can’t be done correctly, no matter how ‘smart’ you are. But if we don’t, we’ll never get out of thrall to the Smart People cult.
One antidote might be: the private industry. Contact with private industry, with business, is quite a good remedy for an attitude that Smart People know all the answers. Indeed, the first people in an investment bank who’ll tell you that VaR is wrong are the people who calculate VaR. Again many of these people will have come from an academic background, but now they are slaving away to calculate a number they know is wrong, and receive daily firsthand evidence that nobody trusts it, and this is a highly effective humility-builder. Take a vaunted academic climate modeler, put them in a risk group and tell them to use their skills to calculate VaR, and I guarantee you’ll see some instant, quick (and needed) ego puncturing.
Smart People in academics and government, unfortunately, have no such corrective because they have no real contact with business or the private industry or the real world. So they never have to confront the fact that their assumptions aren’t necessarily accurate, their models not complete, their data not error-free. Their calculations are wrong. But who will tell them this? They clearly don’t want to hear it. Indeed, most of them seem to have an ideology pointed towards abolishing the real world: making the private industry as small as possible, and subsuming it entirely under the government. If large calculations can’t be right, let’s at least abolish all possible sources of evidence that they are wrong.
You’re a smart person.
No. Lol. Sorry. Kidding. You’re not.
Arghhh That came out wrong too. What a tangled web these words weave. You’re not not a smart person.
This is getting complicated.
Am too not!
I mean, not not.
Not smart, that is. Which I am. (Not)
Anon. you are officially hereby banned from the blog for causing me a mental short circuit. BANNED!!1
That’s a mighty rant against the inquitous imperfections of this ‘mortal coil’ and the human condition.
I never heard anyone ever say that VaR was exact or perfect. It is a model with assumptions and premises built-in. But it is a better model than the piecemeal efforts that went before it and as a unified model it brought some coherence to how departments measured their risk and exposure…….
No body goes to war on the basis of their ‘wargames’ and no one, since the fall of Soviet style centralised planning schedules hipoperations from a national health services model. Thinkers from Asimov through Mandelbrot have shown us the perils of overly complex modelling and spuriously accurate ‘numbers’.
What modelling is about and can do is saying whether more of X will generate proportionately more of Y eg More CO2 means more heat in the atmosphere. NO ONE rpt NO ONE says that 2 x CO2 means 8 degrees C more in Duluth on July4 2050.
So, fire away – throw your brickbats, just don’t expect me to get all excited when your ‘strawmen’ fall over because of them…..
It’s not the imperfections that bother me, it’s the unwillingness to acknowledge them, have humility about them, and (therefore) take them into account.
VaR may be a ‘better model’ and ‘more coherent’ but it’s still a large complex calculation that aside from whatever intrinsic probabilistic assumptions, assumes all manner of near-perfect data coming together that will not, in practice, ever actually be available. So the comfort of the ‘coherence’ it provides can (if believed – which, again, it isn’t) become a recipe for complacency and blind spots. A skyscraper with some play in its construction and base is less ‘coherent’ than a skyscraper that is perfectly rigid, but it’s the latter that will fall in an earthquake. This is where Taleb has a point. When the stuff hits the fan, it’s typically the ‘piecemeal’, ‘incoherent’ – yet, common-sense and grounded in realities – risk measures that can actually have practical use.
Speaking of straw-men, I didn’t mention centrally-scheduled operations. But centrally rationed operations, and other procedures – rationing of ‘unnecessary’ procedures (calculated to be ‘unnecessary’ how?) by Smart People in the name of ‘keeping costs down’ – are an explicit part of the sales pitch for Obamacare. Nor did I mention Duluth, I mentioned the climate – and people most certainly do claim to know what the climate will be like on July 4 2050 if we do or don’t do this or that.
This is because those people (Smart People) have done some giant calculation based on a model which is inherently incomplete and approximate, and primed by data which is likely to be error-prone but which they have not checked and couldn’t check if they tried. It is in principle true that a model could answer a question such as ‘X more CO2 means Y more temperature’, but not if the model is incomplete and the data behind it wrong. Not, in other words, if it is reliant on a large calculation. Large calculations are wrong. And if you want me to not only believe them but act on them, you need to give me a better reason than ‘the people who did the calculation are Smart’.
The people who calculate VaR are all Smart.
And because they are Smart they are wrong and more wrong than if they had not tried and more wrong than the estimate provided by the ‘dumb’……..Oh please….get over yourself….
Back in the day, when I did VaR calc’s my portion was checkable and the data was verifiable. I grant you that the aggregation of the components could be a bit ‘wacky’ but there was plenty of awareness of the imperfections.
Lastly, you seem to be conflating three or four different items: VaR, climate modelling, economic/social policy and civil engineering. Yet the buildings stand up, countries with ‘socialised medicine’ have better outcomes for less cost, the planet is warming consistent with the models. Only the banks are disfunctional on the basis of bad models…..
They are not wrong “because they are Smart”. They are wrong in spite of the fact that they are Smart. It is the attitude that the output of Smart people can’t be wrong (or at least, should be treated as if it is correct even if it’s not) that I am attacking. As you say, there is plenty awareness of the imperfections of VaR. If only the same were true of climate modeling….
On the three or four items: I was only grouping the first three, which I would contrast with the latter (civil engineering). Buildings do stand up. But VaR is wrong and climate modeling is not reliable. And I would challenge the notion that socialized medicine ‘has better outcomes for less cost’. How are you defining ‘better outcomes’. Whose ‘cost’ are you measuring. Essentially, what is your metric.
I bet it was cooked up by a very Smart person.
Stay in your cave then and watch the shadows on the wall……I would have enjoyed the debate a bit more until I realised that I was dealing with a propangandising moron when I read your ‘defining better outcomes’ line. Do you need me to explain the meaning of ‘is’, as well.
Okey dokey Arthur, I’ll ‘stay in my cave and enjoy the shadows on the wall’. That’s helpful, thanks! Good blog comment!
I don’t need you to explain the meaning of ‘is’. One does need you to evince some understanding of the metric you’re implicitly using when you make a simplistic, unsourced, yet complex claim such as ‘better outcomes for less cost’. If you don’t (or can’t), you’re the one doing the propagandizing. Is that why you got so mad when I asked you to actually substantiate this claim?
Note: Any substantiation you could come up with for such a claim would be, inevitably, the result of a large calculation.
I think I understand what Anon. is trying to say. It’s not that you are not Smart. It’s that you are not-Smart smart.
Anyway, great post. My brain felt like it was tickled in the same place a good New Yorker article tickles me, and yet, I didn’t get the sense I was being bamboozled by some leftist sheme.
You said: And when things go wrong or answers seem to fail – as in the financial crisis, or the oil leak – the left’s answer is always and inevitably: We needed more regulation and intervention. Not enough Smart People were in charge, not enough Smart ideas acted upon. This is why, for example, the fact that the “stimulus” didn’t create jobs will not ever cause them to disbelieve in “stimulus”. It will only strengthen their conviction that more “stimulus” was needed.
It seems to me more stimulus is needed. It’s not a case of was needed. Because, the fact of stimulus being needed is not an event which occurred at some given of time in the past. Instead, stimulus is needed. In the existential sense. Stimulus is, was, and always will be, needed. To be stimulus is to be needed. And, since stimulus is, then we know it is needed.
To question that idea makes one not smart.
And, that is why you are not-Smart smart.
I think sonic was pretending (rather transparently) to be getting a mental short circuit since he figured that’s what a non-smart person (which is is so anxious to appear to be) would get. That’s what a smart person would do (pretend). But his pretense is so transparent (to me) that it makes me think he’s not a smart person, unless(!) he deliberately did it that way, so we’d think he’s not a smart person. Hard to tell. The case isn’t closed on this one.
I suggest we keep a close eye. It all gets even complicated when he tells us not to trust what smart people say (something I and many other not-smart people have always suspected). So if he’s smart, we better not trust what he says. If he isn’t (and not merely masquerading) then we can (sort of.. dumb people being right doesn’t follow from knowing smart people are wrong, besides which, if we have a smart person telling us not to trust smart people, why should we trust him on that?).
Hope this clarifies things.
You sure sound smart.
Reminds me of something.. Maybe from the princess bride, the short fat man guessing about a poisoned chalice. Um, if that’s how I sound when I sound smart, you wouldn’t want to hear what I sound like when I sound dumb. But thanks, I guess.
That was like the type of thing a Smart person would say. Referencing Wallace Shawn and all.
Oh yes. Much better. Thanks.
Thanks. I hate being misunderstood.