Why Are We Still Pretending We Don’t Know President Obama’s Ideology?
The tide has clearly turned against President Obama in the commentariat – at least for the moment. It’s not uncommon to see nowadays, even from his part of the spectrum, a complaint that such-and-such bad policy/act (the Solyndra loan, the ‘big’ jobs speech), is evidence that Team Obama is incompetent, stupid, tone-deaf, dense, or even depressed. But I sense a strange blind spot in this sort of criticism and I want to make sure it doesn’t go unnoticed.
Maybe Barack Obama isn’t any of those things. Maybe he’s just a socialist.
Take the Solyndra loan. You can call it ‘stupid’ or ‘incompetent’ but the reality is that he gave this loan for purely ideological reasons, and there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t do it again. So maybe he simply wasn’t operating from a point of view that it was important that the loan be paid back. In that case it’s not ‘stupid’ or ‘incompetent’ that it wasn’t. It’s just socialist; this loan was Good For The People in his view and so he gave it. Taxpayer money belongs to him as the agent of The People and so he can do whatever he wants with it. Socialist.
Another example others have caught onto is energy policy. The price of gasoline has risen and remained high under Barack Obama’s Presidency. One interpretation is that he has ‘messed up’ and has a ‘bad policy’ or even ‘doesn’t know what he’s doing’. But another interpretation – a far more plausible one – is that high gasoline prices are his policy aim. Because Barack Obama knows, in his centralized socialist wisdom, that other forms of energy should be promoted and therefore gasoline users should be squeezed. Made to feel pain until they switch to using the Correct sort of energy.
Every day or three there’s a new story about how Obamacare was so poorly written and hastily rushed through that it makes no sense on its face. But notice the punchline is usually that it’s going to cost far more than advertised, far more people will be trapped in its net than advertised, and perhaps single-payer will be its only feasible end-state. So you tell me: bug, or feature?
Finally there’s the matter of jobs. Unemployment is high and there aren’t enough jobs. President Obama must be doing a bad job! But this assumes that he wants people to have jobs, to be prosperous, to be content. Why would we assume this? As a socialist, there are all sorts of reasons why Barack Obama would find high unemployment and discontent convenient. Crises can be very useful, as someone once said. Perhaps he can shove through extreme legislation. He can parrot week after week the need to raise taxes on ‘the rich’ and maybe someday get one past the goalie there. So many opportunities for socialist ratcheting in a bad economy. As long as he thinks he can Hope/Change his way through a second campaign, why on earth would Barack Obama want a lower unemployment rate or more capitalist jobs and prosperity?
I recognize that he gave a speech about how badly he wants there to be more jobs. But in it, and afterwards, you will notice that he has proposed a bunch of bullcrap that doesn’t have a damn thing to do with advancing the economy or increasing employment significantly. Some of the reactions to this have accused him of incompetence, political idiocy, or general stupidity; this is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about. Maybe he’s not incompetent, or stupid, he’s just socialist. He doesn’t want to promote any prosperity if it means strengthening capitalist tendencies – what use is that, if it makes a bunch of people happy with less socialism? Instead he only ‘wants’ to promote jobs via socialist-fantasy methods. Those methods have no chance of working but that’s okay because actually creating jobs isn’t their main goal, their main goal is making him look like he cares and thus (perhaps) keeping him in power four more years to socialize the economy, and meanwhile (to the extent they’re passed) ratcheting up the socialism again.
Most commentary about all this has this blind spot for this man’s ideology. Why is it so hard to admit that he is a true-blue believer in socialism and what that means? This basically gives him a pass because at some point the ‘incompetence’ articles will stop and the ‘he’s learned from his mistakes/comeback kid’ articles will start. But his ideology does not change and has never changed.
Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by socialist malice.
Meh. I think the right’s complaints of socialism are overblown; the left is starting to dislike him because he hasn’t been socialist enough. Sure, we can speculate that the “bugs” of Obamacare are intentional, but the system itself is not socialism but crony capitalism / corporate welfare as it forces Americans to become consumers of certain companies, and it’s eerily similar to a health care bill the Republicans tried to pass when Clinton was President. It would have had the same “bugs” if the GOP had passed it, but would that have made it a conspiracy transition to socialism?
One interpretation of high gas prices is that despite the attempts of both parties to treat the President as their Gas Price Savior or Gas Price Devil, gas prices are simply part of a global economy that are largely (though not entirely) out of the reach of the president’s short arm.
I don’t think Obama wants a bad economy, either – I think he’s scared stiff that it’s going to cost him his job. Some people argue that Republicans want the economy to stay bad because it will help them get re-elected, and you think Obama wants the economy to stay bad because he thinks he can still get re-elected and then push through more socialism? Somehow it just doesn’t compute for me, something about claiming that technocrats aren’t smart enough to run the economy and then trying to speculate that Obama is smart enough to engineer just the right dose of crony capitalism that it will increase popular demand for socialism. Don’t get me wrong, I think he clearly has an ideology favoring “green” jobs and unions and the whole deal, but I think it’s much more likely that he’s confused about how his technocratism isn’t fixing the economy than that he’s an evil genius who knows his technocratism is going to make things worse so he’s doing it on purpose.
Just my inflated two cents…
You’ve made some interesting points here. I’d argue with this one, though: Somehow it just doesn’t compute for me, something about claiming that technocrats aren’t smart enough to run the economy and then trying to speculate that Obama is smart enough to engineer just the right dose of crony capitalism that it will increase popular demand for socialism.
Those are two entirely different things. While I think it’s impossible to “technocrat” something as huge and complex as “the economy,” that’s because “the economy” is really just rather poor shorthand for billions upon billions of individual transactions per hour. It’s the sum total of hundreds of millions of long range plans. It’s peoples’ wants and interests, etc. No politician or Politburo could ever hope to manage it.
Getting a bogus loan to Solyndra through, though… that’s not so hard. Even a moron socialist like Barack Obama could manage it (and besides, who ever said he’s not both Socialist and stupid?
In my experience, those two go together like peanut butter and jelly). You can get a pretty good “crony capitalism” regime going with just a few transactions.
One could make an argument that it’s to both parties’ short-term advantage for the economy to stay bad… but only leftists take that next step and proclaim that the economy is bad, and will continue to be bad, until The Technocrats are allowed to implement The Plan which will bring all good things to The People. If Obama were a true-blue socialist, he’d be in the very awkward position of trying to create capitalist jobs via socialist means…. which, come to think of it, is exactly what He seems to be trying to do via bogus loans to “green” energy companies and the like. Sure, it’s not a Five Year Plan or anything, but give it time, comrade…
You make a fair argument, but some of Obama’s actions to me don’t at all square with the “socialist” meme. For example, why on earth would a socialist Obama forbid the EPA from applying new standards for ozone emissions, as he did recently? It ticked off the left enormously because it conflicted with green science about the “proper” levels for ground ozone, it conflicted with the supposed law about considering monetary costs of ozone level compliance, and it conflicted with morals about protecting the lungs of the greater good. It ticked off the left so much that I saw folks on Slate calling for a challenger to Obama for the Democratic nomination. And this wasn’t an act of omission, either (as in, “Obama hasn’t stolen my whole paycheck, therefore he’s not socialist”). It was an act of commission – he deliberately moved to prevent the lower standards from going into place. If he was pure socialist, he would have wanted the standards. And if he wanted the economy to suffer due to a warped political mindset, he would have wanted the standards. I think the most likely explanation is that Obama is not a pure socialist, just a crony lefty who is confused why his ideologies aren’t fixing the economy and is now even caving to some pro-capitalist ideas in admission that they may actually do more to help the economy than his own…
the system itself is not socialism but crony capitalism / corporate welfare
Or more precisely, national socialism.
It would have had the same “bugs” if the GOP had passed it, but would that have made it a conspiracy transition to socialism?
I’m not going to speculate about an alternative universe in which ‘the GOP had passed [Obamacare]‘, but just to clarify, I never accused anyone of any ‘conspiracy’. Conspiracy is a secret agreement to commit wrongdoing. There is nothing secret about Obama’s ideology or the things he wants to do, and that’s my point. Nor am I suggesting that anyone is trying to ‘transition to’ anything. Ours is already, like most, a partially socialist nation. Obama wants to make it more so.
One interpretation of high gas prices is that despite the attempts of both parties to treat the President as their Gas Price Savior or Gas Price Devil, gas prices are simply part of a global economy that are largely (though not entirely) out of the reach of the president’s short arm.
To some extent this is true, but there are things a government can do to exacerbate pricing – like, prohibit offshore drilling (as the Obama administration has done).
I don’t think Obama wants a bad economy, either – I think he’s scared stiff that it’s going to cost him his job.
He either (a) wants a bad economy, is (b) too stupid to know what makes for a good economy, or (c) is so ideological that he’d rather have a bad economy and be ‘correct’ on certain things than to have a good economy. I guess part of what I’m saying here can be read to mean that (c) is a variant of (a), but I won’t push the point.
something about claiming that technocrats aren’t smart enough to run the economy and then trying to speculate that Obama is smart enough to engineer just the right dose of crony capitalism that it will increase popular demand for socialism.
To be clear, I’m not saying *I* think he’s smart enough to do that. But, he certainly might think he is.
“Sure, we can speculate that the “bugs” of Obamacare are intentional, but the system itself is not socialism but crony capitalism / corporate welfare as it forces Americans to become consumers of certain companies, and it’s eerily similar to a health care bill the Republicans tried to pass when Clinton was President. It would have had the same “bugs” if the GOP had passed it, but would that have made it a conspiracy transition to socialism?”
Two things to address here … #1 Highly Government Regulated Crony Capitalism is Facism. It’s all the same progressive claptrap. Socialism, Communism, Facism … all ideas that say that society can and should be more or less engineered from the top. It’s like arguing over flavors of Kool-Aid. Is it Cherry, Strawberry, or Black Cherry? I don’t care, it’s all Kool-Aid.
The second is — the answer to your question – if someone wants to fundamentally change A to B and tries to pass it through by calling B A’, it is either dishonest or self-deluded. The Democratic party has long been taken over by the progressive ideology, and the progressive activists have been actively engaged since at least the Great Depression — but more successfully in the last 60 years — in a definite “conspiracy” (insomuch as it is surprisingly coordinated, not so much that it is secret) in conditioning Americans and thus changing American Culture to be more receptive to Central Planning — the exact opposite of what America *is*. A lot of this has been accompished by “Community Organizing” — something which few mainstream people (including myself) had ever heard of until about 4 or so years ago.
I read Alinsky. I read Obama. “Transformation” was no idle word when he said “Fundamental Transformation”. It’s all over that literature, and it *is* nothing short of a plan to move to central planning so that our betters (the Progressives) can all tell us how we will live our lives so that we will all be happy. Of course, everwhere this has been implied, there utimately comes an “or else!”. People die, and the rest get poor, except for the people at the top. And by “poor”, I mean far more poor than our average “poor”.
So yes, if the GOP had passed it (WOULD the GOP have passed it, first of all? Isn’t that a fair question?) it would likely have been out of the self-deluded cycle they’re caught in of compromising with progressive ideals in the hope that they’ll be “liked” better, criticized less, etc. But like Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the Football, it never works. But it doesn’t mean it isn’t acquiescence to the pressure brought on by the progressive agenda.
And there ARE progressives in the GOP. Lots of them.
This is why it is better to push ideologies and not parties. When the party that holds closest to my ideology gets in, you can bet I will be holding their feet to the fire — to encourage them to practice what they allegedly preach.
“For example, why on earth would a socialist Obama forbid the EPA from applying new standards for ozone emissions, as he did recently? ”
Campaign contributions? He wants another 4 years to get as much as he can in place before they’re summarily kicked out, as we seem to do every ~16 years (HT:Morgan) when we vote these hard-core progressives in at the top.
Think which states would be hurt the most, and fastest by the EPA’s proposed regulations: Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia.
All purple states. Obama isn’t worried about New York (which will go for him no matter what) or Texas (which won’t, no matter what). But if he wants another four years, he needs the “battleground” states.
Obama? Socialist? Hahahahahahahahaha. Oh crap, you’re really serious?
Let me guess: he’s not a socialist because he hasn’t nationalized the banks. He’s not a socialist because he hasn’t seized the means of production. He’s not a socialist because he takes money from “big business.” He’s not a socialist because he merely tries to regulate the financial sector to death rather than abolishing it by fiat.
That about cover it?
I’ve heard the same for years now. And yeah, I suppose you’re right — compared to Karl Marx’s wet dreams, Obama isn’t a socialist. But by that “logic” — one must fit the textbook definition of the most extreme ideologue in order to “really be” something — Ronald Reagan wasn’t “really” a conservative, the Patriots aren’t “really” a football team, etc. Obama’s as socialist as the realities of party politics will allow. Do you really believe he wouldn’t try to nationalize the banking industry if he thought there was any way he could get it through Congress? Having already nationalized health care, General Motors, etc.?
Please do remember that just because someone is to the right of you, it doesn’t make him “right-wing,” any more than Rick Perry being to the left of Ron Paul makes Perry some kind of liberal.
Nice try, but no dice.
Obama? Socialist? Hahahahahahahahaha. Oh crap, you’re really serious? [end of comment]
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I suspect your belief that Obama is socialist is unfalsifiable. By that, I mean I don’t think there’s anything he could reasonably (or maybe even unreasonably) do that would make you change your mind. If you disagree, then… what precisely *would* Obama have to do before you would admit him to be non-socialist?
(If this isn’t true about you, it’s certainly true about a lot of right wingers, some of whom claim Obama to simultaneously be socialist and fascist, as if the two weren’t mutually exclusive)
For God’s sake, Obama made it clear his goal was to increase Energy Prices:
Thanks. This is exactly what I’m talking about; his ideology and goals are right there out in the open, and they have nothing to do with a prosperous economy, yet people walk around with furrowed brows that the former hasn’t engendered the latter, and assume there must be some incompetence or stupidity on his part. When the reality is, helping the economy just isn’t the main thing he’s trying to do.
Remember how he said that he’d raise the Capital Gains tax rates even if it resulted in lower tax revenue?
What would Obama have to do to prove he’s not a socialist?
Well, one can never prove a negative (the problem with that whole “unfalsifiable” business in a nutshell), but hows about…. not constantly indulging in class-warfare rhetoric? Not attempting to nationalize entire service sectors? Quit talking about (and attempting to) “redistribute wealth”? Stop saying things like “at some point, you’ve made enough money” as if he’s the one to decide.
Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but “socialist” and “fascist” aren’t “mutually exclusive.” Fascism IS “national socialism.” It’s right there in the name and everything.
(Of course, I’m sure those guys weren’t real socialists, either, since their five-year plan didn’t adequately redistribute peasant farmland and empower workers’ collectives at the state tractor plant. But again, when guys who run on a socialist platform run around calling themselves socialists, I tend to take them at their word. Not being Smart, that’s all I’ve got to go on).
Before continuing this thread, let me disclaim I’m not here to defend Obama… I’m here to defend socialism. (Obama can go to hell)
“You can never prove a negative” is an urban myth. But we can ignore that.
In your list of things Obama could do to prove his non-socialism, there was nothing objective. You didn’t give any precise, measurable things (an example of such a thing might be: “Obama would be a non-socialist if he extended (or urged Democratic senators to extend) the tax cuts created by George W. Bush”)
Line by line:
“not constantly indulging in class-warfare rhetoric” subjective
“Not attempting to nationalize entire service sectors?” Out of touch with reality. The government purchased shares on the open market, it did not legislate or use force to seize them.
“Quit talking about (and attempting to) “redistribute wealth”” This is a Republican talking point, not an Obama talking point. Can you cite a speech or document where Obama goes on the record that he wants to “redistribute wealth” in those exact words? Also: yfw Obama tax rates on the wealthy are lower than Reagan tax rates on the wealthy.
“Stop saying things like “at some point, you’ve made enough money” as if he’s the one to decide.” “At some point, you’ve made enough money” is a tautology, provided “enough” is interpreted as, say, “enough that you’ll never suffer any material needs ever again”
Ninja, please.
Exhibit A: Obama to Joe the Plumber: “when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Exhibit B: “At some point, I do believe you’ve made enough money.”
Exhibit C: Obama tax rates on the wealthy are lower than Reagan tax rates on the wealthy. Wait, I thought you clowns were for higher tax rates on the wealthy?
Exhibit D: “At some point, you’ve made enough money” is a tautology, provided “enough” is interpreted as, say, “enough that you’ll never suffer any material needs ever again” That’s the thing about tautologies, homie — there’s no “provided that.” In both (non-tautological) cases, our Glorious Leader is saying that you have sufficient funds to cover ALL your “material needs.” And He knows this…. how? Obviously, He knows what your material needs are better than you do. Are you sure you want to go down that road, my friend? Because in a country where some three-quarters of “the poor” have TV sets, the exact level of “no material needs” seems to be, ummm, rather flexible.
Exhibit E: “You didn’t give any precise, measurable things (an example of such a thing might be: “Obama would be a non-socialist if he extended (or urged Democratic senators to extend) the tax cuts created by George W. Bush”). Ok, I’ll bite: Obama fought tooth and nail to end the Bush tax cuts. “Ending the Bush tax cuts” ranked right up there with “the rich aren’t paying their fair share” and “wars of choice are bankrupting us” in the liberals’ holy trinity of Things That Are Wrong With Our Economy (that are entirely Bush’s fault and have nothing to do with our own incredible economic illiteracy). Obama exceedingly reluctantly signed into law the Democratic congress’s extension of the Bush tax cuts. Seems to me that by your own definition, Obama is indeed very much a socialist.
Exhibit F through Z to the umpteen zillionth power: Right, and I guess you believe North Korea is a Democratic Republic. Dude, this is just getting tiresome. There are seventeen million instances of Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, etc. saying that they’re communists (actually, I believe the correct phrase is “building socialism…. but I’ll let that slide), and that the DPRK is a communist state (again, I believe the official phrase is “fraternal socialist” state… but ditto). When people openly proclaim that they’re socialists, and call their own fucking party the “socialist workers’ party,” and put “socialism” in all their official propaganda…. yeah, I’m inclined to take them at their word that they truly, sincerely believe that they’re socialists. And when they proceed to: nationalize the financial sector, nationalize health care, invest heavily in “shovel-ready” infrastructure projects to “stimulate” their way out of a recession, etc etc., well…..
But whatever. You say you’re here to “defend socialism.” I submit that Obama is in fact a thoroughgoing socialist, and in fact pushes the most socialistic policies a two-party system will allow. Evidently you disagree. Well, then: in 1917, V.I. Lenin and the boys had the ultimate opportunity to install a socialist regime — no opposition (after the Whites were crushed by 1923), nearly unlimited resources, a huge population, and a bunch of very, very smart ideologues who had learned dialectical materialism at the very feet of the master. Was what they implemented “socialism” or not? If not, why not? What specific policies did they implement that weren’t socialism, and what should they have done instead? (seeing as, you know, you obviously know “real socialism” much better than Lenin, Trotsky, Serge, etc.).
(By the way, if you’re tempted to retort that “communism and socialism are not the same thing,” I expect a detailed explication, something far better than “I guess you believe that East Germany wasn’t really a ‘fraternal socialist republic.’” Since, you know, you’re the stalwart defender of socialism and all. But I do agree with you on one thing: Obama can go to hell).
A bit confused by some of this discussion. First I’m being told that I’m ‘complaining’ of Obama’s socialism. But socialism is just a descriptive label, that happens to apply to his set of beliefs. To correctly observe that he is socialist is not (necessarily) a ‘complaint’, unless you happen to dislike socialism of course.
Then there is the idea that my application of this descriptive term to Obama needs to be ‘falsifiable’. This is true, but trivially; discovering whether someone is ‘socialist’ isn’t like doing a science experiment, it’s just doing applied vocabulary: ‘socialist’ is an adjective with a definition. Obama either fits that definition or he doesn’t. If you think he doesn’t, you either dispute basic facts about Obama’s beliefs, or you dispute the definition of ‘socialism’. That’s ok, but before you go any further, here’s the definition of socialism: collective ownership and disposition of property. Which part do you dispute?
Assuming you can’t dispute that definition, a socialist, it follows, is one who advocates collective ownership and disposition of property, and the more one does so, the more socialist they are. As I have already said, we (like all countries) are already partially socialist, so the question is one of direction. But ‘pay your fair share’, ‘share the wealth’, collectivizing health care, constantly agitating to raise taxes, increasing government role/regulation/oversight of various aspects of the economy – these all point so conclusively in the direction of increased collectivization and disposition of property that I’m not even sure what you could possibly dispute here.
Also, finally, I don’t know why you’d even bother. What pray tell is wrong with being a socialist? You are reacting to my statement as if I’ve thrown a pejorative in Obama’s direction. This is an odd reaction from a self-styled socialist. Of course it could be that your complaint might be coming from the other side – that Obama doesn’t go all the way to doing things XYZ that you’d expect of a ‘real’ socialist – but that wouldn’t add up to an argument that he’s ‘not socialist’, just an argument that he’s ‘not socialist enough for you’. I have no doubt that this could be true, but so what?
re: “precise, measurable things…” to ‘falsify’ the socialist claim,
You are applying a ridiculous standard to a descriptive political category that does not obtain in any other example of language usage in this area. That is, nobody is ever categorized ‘conservative’, ‘liberal’, ‘leftist’, ‘reactionary’, ‘anarchist’, or any other political category on the back of anything “precise” or “measurable”. That is simply not how it works. Political discussion does not proceed this way.
We group people into loose categories based on qualitatively similar sets of beliefs. That’s ok! If we can’t do that then discussion is impossible.
The test as to whether those groupings are accurate or not does not and cannot come from any ‘measurement’ that takes the form ‘if f(Obama)=6.7, then he’s a socialist’. That would be impossible! Instead, the test for accuracy comes from argument with people and convincing them that the grouping and categorization makes sense. It makes sense to me. If you don’t think it makes sense, I welcome your counterargument – if you have one. It will either convince me or it will not. That’s how this has to work, by the nature of things.
But this ‘measurable’ criterion is nonsensical and impossible to meet, in any political definition. Luckily, most of the time political discussions are perfectly possible because people don’t adhere to such an artificial restriction on vocabulary. For some reason only the categorization ‘socialist’ (and, likewise, ‘communist’) seems to be held up to this preposterous standard. Why is that?
> “Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but “socialist” and “fascist” aren’t “mutually exclusive.” Fascism IS “national socialism.” It’s right there in the name and everything.”
Right, and I guess you believe North Korea is a Democratic Republic.
Here to defend Socialism, eh?
So then when you complain that we say he’s a socialist, your complaint is that he’s not socialist enough for *you*. Got it.
Well, as I always say, there’s nothing wrong with Socialism as long as it’s voluntary. Start up your own commune and have a blast.
It hasn’t worked anywhere. It’s a nice as an abstract, pie in the sky idea, but it is incompatible with human nature.
‘Course, you could always try to re-engineer humans, but I *think* that’s been tried before, and it turned out pretty ugly.
sorry, that last was me. I don’t want to be accused of hiding behind internet anonymity.
Shouldn’t that be “true-red believer in socialism”? (g)
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